https://www.tomolpack.com/2025/03/11/eeds9m0496r Below is a quotation from St. Bernard of Clairvaux on what was, back then, the novel idea of the Immaculate Conception. He was 12th century and considered this a new, and disastrous, idea. Thus, his language is very strong. Nevertheless, this helps to verify two things. One, this was a doctrine that started to become popular after the Great Schism, and two that this does indeed qualify as a novel doctrine.
https://www.scarpellino.com/byhgtjjw27 “I am frightened now, seeing that certain of you have desired to change the condition of important matters, introducing a new festival unknown to the Church, unapproved by reason, unjustified by ancient tradition. Are we really more learned and more pious than our fathers? You will say, ‘One must glorify the Mother of God as much as Possible.’ This is true; but the glorification given to the Queen of Heaven demands discernment. This Royal Virgin does not have need of false glorifications, possessing as She does true crowns of glory and signs of dignity.
Glorify the purity of Her flesh and the sanctity of Her life. Marvel at the abundance of the gifts of this Virgin; venerate Her Divine Son; exalt Her Who conceived without knowing concupiscence and gave birth without knowing pain. But what does one yet need to add to these dignities? People say that one must revere the conception which preceded the glorious birth-giving; for if the conception had not preceded, the birth-giving also would not have been glorious. But what would one say if anyone for the same reason should demand the same kind of veneration of the father and mother of Holy Mary? One might equally demand the same for Her grandparents and great-grandparents, to infinity.
Moreover, how can there not be sin in the place where there was concupiscence? All the more, let one not say that the Holy Virgin was conceived of the Holy Spirit and not of man. I say decisively that the Holy Spirit descended upon Her, but not that He came with Her…I say that the Virgin Mary could not be sanctified before Her conception, inasmuch as She did not exist. if, all the more, She could not be sanctified in the moment of Her conception by reason of the sin which is inseparable from conception, then it remains to believe that She was sanctified after She was conceived in the womb of Her mother.
This sanctification, if it annihilates sin, makes holy Her birth, but not Her conception. No one is given the right to be conceived in sanctity; only the Lord Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit, and He alone is holy from His very conception. Excluding Him, it is to all the descendants of Adam that must be referred that which one of them says of himself, both out of a feeling of humility and in acknowledgement of the truth: Behold I was conceived in iniquities (Ps. 50:7). How can one demand that this conception be holy, when it was not the work of the Holy Spirit, not to mention that it came from concupiscence? The Holy Virgin, of course, rejects that glory which, evidently, glorifies sin. She cannot in any way justify a novelty invented in spite of the teaching of the Church, a novelty which is the mother of imprudence, the sister of unbelief, and the daughter of lightmindedness”
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Dale Crakes says
Fr a good website on the topic. http://www.antiochianarch.org.au/orthodox-view-on-Immaculate-Conception.aspx I like the redundancy idea.
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Aryl says
Fr Bless,
Buy Zolpidem Paypal It’s easy enough to begin a quote war from the Church Fathers (East and West) confirming or denying the Immaculate Conception. One can also quote the litanies or certain prayers of the Divine Liturgy that seem to imply an immaculate-type conception.
https://www.emilymunday.co.uk/799s2uj7q The most prominent example that comes to mind is when the Deacon (or priest) says, “Calling to remembrance our all-holy, immaculate (or most pure), most-blessed and glorious
Lady Theotokos and ever-virgin Mary, with all the saints: let us commend
ourselves and each other, and all our life unto Christ our God.”
Is there a significant translational difference between, “immaculate” and “most pure?” Those are the only two translations I’ve seen. What is the original word that is used?
Can You Buy Real Ambien Online Although the dogmatic definition in 1854 uses language that is distinct for a Western audience, is there not an Eastern understanding of the same truth that the West is trying to convey? Is the concept of an immaculate conception of the “only undefiled and all-blameless Maiden” (First Kathisma of the Conception of the Theotokos by St Anna) truly and completely foreign to Eastern theology and Tradition.
https://www.wefairplay.org/2025/03/11/btkjb8noh Fr Christiaan W. Kappes wrote an article entitled, “The Immaculate Conception: Why Thomas Aquinas Denied, While John Duns Scotus, Gregory Palamas, & Mark Eugenicus Professed the Absolute Immaculate Existence of Mary.” It’s available at Amazon.com or you may be able to read it here, although you may need an Academia.edu account: https://www.academia.edu/4375213/The_Immaculate_Conception_Why_Thomas_Aquinas_Denied_While_John_Duns_Scotus_Gregory_Palamas_and_Mark_Eugenicus_Professed_the_Absolute_Immaculate_Existence_of_Mary
Sts Mark of Ephesus and Gregory Palamas would both claim to articulate the Holy Tradition that was passed down to them by the Apostles.
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https://www.wefairplay.org/2025/03/11/v9hrcmgw The Orthodox Church always believed in the Immaculate Conception of the Most Holy Theotokos. Long before Rome procclaimed a Dogma.
https://yourartbeat.net/2025/03/11/4gyr9er0j In the sense that the Theotokos was Pre-pared, pre-purified.
Axion estin os alithos….TIN AEI-MAKARISTON kai PAN-AMOMITON.
EVER-BLESSED and ALL-IMMACULATE…
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The problem with Bernard’s idea is that concupiscence is always sinful. Thus she must have been conceived in sin. This view does not reflect the Orthodox anthropology which differentiates between what is fallen and what is actually wilfully sinful. See St Maximo’s the Confessor. Thus Orthodox tradition does not teach that she was somehow sanctified at some point after her conception but before her birth as an act of divine fiat, anymore than it teaches she was sanctified at her conception. Rather that her body suffers the same fallen conditions as all mankind but wilfully she never sinned even from babyhood.
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At the time I wrote the post, I was not trying to explain Orthodox soteriology. Rather, I was trying to point out that the idea of the Immaculate Conception was such a novel idea that it shocked St. Bernard of Clairvaux and other saints of the time. It is true that St. Bernard’s anthropology is Western and not acceptable to us. But, the quote makes clear that this new and novel doctrine not only violated Western anthropology but also rewrote soteriology. The Reformers and their descendants have correctly refused to bow to the Immaculate Conception.
On your second point, it is precisely because she was born still bearing the curse of death that she, as the Fathers said, also needed to be saved by her Son. She may not have willfully sinned, nevertheless, she still bore the punishment of death. “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? … But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”