Father Orthoduck has been having an offline conversation with a friend over the Virginia law. For those of you who are not aware, pro-life legislators approved a bill that requires a trans-vaginal ultrasound before a woman can have an abortion. That particular requirement has been causing a lot of upheaval around the country. Fr. Orthoduck and his friend are both pro-life, but have different opinions on that particular aspect of the law. Below is part of the conversation we have been having. I have edited some parts of it because part of our conversation was medically descriptive:
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https://merangue.com/imvp65wqFather Orthoduck is convinced that elective abortions need to be stopped. But they need to be stopped with the right means. The saying that the, “ends justify the means,” was written by Prince Niccolo Machiavelli in the same Middle Ages that provided us the Inquisition. Against that, and against that history, Christians have since argued that the ends do NOT justify the means. Father Orthoduck will argue that the Church cannot afford to return to the thinking of those who called themselves Christian in the Middle Ages in order to wipe out a great evil. The ends do NOT justify the means.
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Betty Cyrus says
Ahhh-here is trouble but I’ll try to be sensitive. First, I am a child of God. Second, I am female, live in Virginia and I am a sonographer-better known as an ultrasound tech so I have alot of dogs in this fight. I am appalled at the overreach of the Virginia legislature in this matter. This law is ONLY to make women…who (most anyway) have already gone through a wretching emotional crisis to come to the decision to abort go through more humiliation and cost in an effort to “change their minds”. A transvaginal ultrasound is actually a part of an abortion anyway. It is used to make sure of the woman’s anatomy and fetal age as well as to make sure there are no other medical problems-such as an ectopic pregnancy or a molar pregnancy (which starts as a pregnancy but becomes a cancer)-which could kill the woman. A transabdominal ultrasound does NOT show enough detail in very early pregnancy to even date the pregnancy-particularly in larger women-let alone deter a woman by showing her a picture of her “baby”. A baby at 6 to 10 weeks gestation does not look like a baby…even by transvaginal ultrasound. One of the state senators is a doctor I work with and he explained that only a transvaginal u/s could do what the legislature wanted…so they KNEW that they were actually advocating state sponsered vaginal penetration-more commonly called rape. When the governor rightfully started backing away from that requirement, they decided to make it a law for a transabdominal u/s. So the only thing this law is for is to make women jump through more hoops…as you stated…and more expense. They have not even addressed the issue of where these women are supposed to get these ultrasounds done, since you can’t just walk into a hospital and ask for one. I find this repugnant and it frankly infuriates me. This law is essentially saying that women aren’t smart enough to realize just what they are doing when they choose abortion and that disgusts me-regardless of the fact that I would dearly love to see the rate of abortion drop and more women choose life. Since I am a sonographer and I actually have done both ob u/s and pediatric u/s, I probably hold a more progressive view of abortion than many of my spiritual brethren, because I see what these women are going through-particularly in the face of an abnormality. Very few actually choose abortion as birthcontrol (which also disgusts me). Most of the women I have met who have had abortions did so as a last resort and only after much heartache. I have a friend who still has pain from her decision 20 years ago and she says this would only make it worse. (BTW, she also says she would do it again despite the pain if the circumstances were the same). Now do I wish we could make abortion go away…yes. In a perfect world, all children would be healthy and wanted with parent/s who can and will love and provide for them. Unfortunately, not everyone has the support of family and/or church. Add to that the current discussion about contraception and it is very confusing. The same group who is so ardently pro-life also opposes birth control…not sure that makes any sense unless they are in the business of legislating morality-which I guess is the point with our country right now. We need to remember that we are NOT a theocracy and there are millions in this country who do not hold any religious views or else disdain any religious views and that is their right also. I guess I have always had a really hard time with ANYONE telling a woman what they can do with their own body…I have always felt that it was a matter for a woman and her family and God as she knows Him. Maybe I need to pray about it some more.
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