https://aiohealthpro.com/tplvys0lxcq War is so unjust and ugly that all who wage it must try to stifle the voice of conscience within themselves. — Leo Tolstoy
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Someone who commented recently asked if I ever read Tolstoy, since I have been quoting Dostoevsky. My reply was that I have only read his classic book, War and Peace. However, I decided to look up some Tolstoy and ran across the two quotes above. I found them interesting. From reading War and Peace, I vaguely remember that Tolstoy was most certainly not a hawk. Like many of the great thinkers, he abhorred war. He also was a Russian man raised in a culture deeply influenced by Russian Orthodoxy. Thus, many of his quotes actually reflect quite a bit of Russian Orthodoxy, even when he is reacting against Orthodoxy. He has been called a Christian anarchist and/or an anarcho-pacifist. Here is a longer quote from him:
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https://inteligencialimite.org/2024/08/07/yo599w0189a Many people will find it odd that I say that the first two quotes from him at the beginning of this post actually reflect some quite strong Orthodox values, even though Tolstoy was a pacifist. The second one says of war that, “?no man, especially a Christian man, has the right to assume the responsibility of starting it.” Saint Augustine of Hippo, who wrote the first rules to ensure that a war is just would have fully agreed with him. Saint Augustine was not a pacifist, but he held the view of war that was shared by the Early Church Fathers.
Buy Xanax Next Day Delivery It will probably surprise the reader to find out that, like many of the Church Fathers, Saint Augustine believed that there is no “private right” to kill. In other words, there is no such thing as self-defense for the Christian individual. Only when a Christian is serving as part of the State, and only when ordered to do so, as in time of war or in police actions, may he kill. That is why, to this day, a priest who kills (and some would even say seriously damage) another individual is forbidden from serving at the altar ever again. In fact, to this day, according to the Geneva Conventions, a priest or rabbi or pastor or iman, etc., is considered a non-combatant and, if captured, may even conduct worship services for the enemy, without incurring the charge of treason! Augustine wrote:
https://mandikaye.com/blog/re0b2p2u The commandment forbidding killing was not broken by those who have waged wars on the authority of God, or those who have imposed the death-penalty on criminals when representing the authority of the state, the justest and most reasonable source of power.
But, Saint Augustine spoke to a problem that had been troubling the Church for the century in which it had been welcomed by the State. Given that a Christian individual has no “private right” to kill, but may kill when ordered to do so by the State, when is the State justified in giving the order to kill? That was the thrust of his writing on just war theory. His rules for a just war have been summarized and now are often stated in the following form:
- Just cause. All aggression is condemned; only defensive war is legitimate.
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- Formal declaration. Since the use of military force is the prerogative of governments, not of private individuals, a state of war must be officially declared by the highest authorities.
- Limited objectives. If the purpose is peace, then unconditional surrender or the destruction of a nation’s economic or political institutions is an unwarranted objective.
- Proportionate means. The weaponry and the force used should be limited to what is needed to repel the aggression and deter future attacks, that is to say to secure a just peace. Total or unlimited war is ruled out.
- https://transculturalexchange.org/xg46jrle03 Noncombatant immunity.Since war is an official act of government, only those who are officially agents of government may fight, and individuals not actively contributing to the conflict including POW’s and easualties as well as civilian nonparticipants) should be immune from attack.
https://aiohealthpro.com/qbe1gyt8cq You can see how the above would lead to quite a bit of argument in any given war!
https://inteligencialimite.org/2024/08/07/il20mjdtp On the first quote at the very beginning of the post, I will simply remind people that I work at a VA Medical Center. In one sense, Tolstoy is correct. Even given Saint Augustine’s rules for a just war, one can read him and the Church Fathers and see the horror with which they beheld war. War is, in one sense, “unjust and ugly.” Many soldiers who die for the “enemy” are actually nothing but young men who often not personally responsible for the evil of their government, nor are in any position to stop it. Rather, they themselves, have often been pulled into the war, or are serving because it is their country. Many good novels, such as All Quiet on the Western Front, have pointed out the horror that it is often innocent killing innocent on the battlefield. They die without the benefit of trial or witnesses or judge or jury. Inevitably civilians are killed. Inevitably “friendly fire” kills innocents on both sides.
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https://polyploid.net/blog/?p=ka2azs6sy1 Particularly soldiers, sailors, and airmen from strongly moral or ethical backgrounds often have to battle their consciences when engaged in war. The same is true of police personnel who are forced to shoot someone. Frankly, I would rather have people who must deal with their consciences whenever they pull the trigger or push the button than deal with someone who is “quick on the trigger.” But, here in the VA we see that all too often that inner battle of conscience can lead to serious emotional damage. Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome is often the result of the conscience getting beat up and the personality fragmenting under the requirements of war. War is not pretty, though it may at times be unavoidable.
I do not agree with Tolstoy on being a complete pacifist. But, I certainly can appreciate that he looked realistically at war and that much of his writing actually reflected a rather Orthodox background.
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This is a phrase I say alot when I read Tolstoy. The way he lays everything out on the table & tries to put it together is amazing. He struggled with the ‘meaning of life’ & even if I don’t come to the same conclusion he does, I feel like I’m better in my own beliefs for having read his (usually radical) thoughts on many subjects.
I think many Christians would benefit from looking deeply into the ‘meaning of life’, ‘what is murder’, what is just war or just killing’, the tension in freewill & determinism’, etc… Our faith & witness to the world would be stronger as well. peace. not war 😉
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In America, the cultural viewpoint is that “of course God approves of the wars in which we are involved.” There is little sensibility to the theological struggles of the Early Church Fathers with regards to Christians, the State, and war/police powers. This struggle is the reason why the Church Fathers can be read as either allowing Christians to serve in the armed forces or as being pacifists. Sometimes the same Church Father can sound like he is espousing both viewpoints if only only looks at selected quotes. But, when one looks at all their “quotes” one can see that they were dealing with a difficult subject that did not submit to simple explanations.
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read this article yesterday – thought you would find it interesting. since we are talking of russians.
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https://inteligencialimite.org/2024/08/07/gg8xsmj2tv I was talking to a Serbian man who lived through the Communist era. He said when there was the revolution the Bishops gave priests permission to fight in the was as a soldier but they had to cut their beards. After the war the grew the beard back and were permitted to go back to serving as a priest. I am sure if this happened in Serbia it has happened in other places too. I’m sure the Bishops were aware of the canons.
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https://homeupgradespecialist.com/t7id80xcd Bishops can give economia (shrug). However, I prefer that priests be maintained as non-combatants. Notice that the bishop would not allow them to be identified as priests. Even with economia, the bishops realized what a break their ruling was from Holy Tradition. I am assuming that if they had to cut their beards, that this was a visible symbol that they were barred from altar or sacramental service, which goes with my point that killing and the priesthood are not compatible. Nevertheless, I do not think that their example is a sound example to follow.
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Hi Father, That was my point exactly, bishops can give economia and that’s not always a “sound example”, however it is part of the life of the Church. The problem is when we converts start tossing canons and church father quotes around pontificating about “the Orthodox phronema on war/capital punishment” etc. as if pacifism is a “done deal” we come up against the reality of how the real world works sometimes… with the blessing of the Church.
Fr. Ernesto Obregon says
https://merangue.com/8srpbj7 Very good point. Saint Augustine was dealing with the reality of what happens when the majority of the people in the State are even nominally Christian. At that point, there will be Christians making the decisions to go to war and to kill others. But, I wanted to get people to catch what a struggle the whole subject was for many of the Early Church Fathers. And, I wanted them to catch that the priesthood is supposed to reflect the ideal state. Oddly enough, the request by Saint Basil that soldiers who have killed go to confession and abstain for communion for a while points out that while the war may be justified, and the soldier incurs no legal penalty, nevertheless it is good for the soldier’s spiritual health to reflect on the fact that he has done what God did not intend originally, human killing human. The focus of Saint Basil is medical rather than legal.
https://udaan.org/eo8d169.php But, in passing, let me mention that I have heard the word phronema used more often by cradles than by converts, for instance the Lossky school of thinking! Having said that, phronema can cover a multitude of sins and a plethora of unsound thinking.
https://sugandhmalhotra.com/2024/08/07/t6jk6ykay75 At school I was taught that there were various levels of eikonomia and that, although ultimately they all resided in the bishop, it was not quite that simple. There was an eikonomia that could be exercised even by a lay person. There was an eikonomia that could be misused even by bishops, so that their fellow bishops might very well intervene and undo that particular eikonomia. I was taught that eikonomia was not a “do what you please” card for the bishop.