We recite the Nicene Creed every Sunday in the Orthodox Church. You all know it. In the original version it reads:
https://www.ordovicianatlas.org/82fk1dab1ds We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
https://www.beecavebee.com/f39m0frrhl And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end.
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
https://baixacultura.org/2025/02/01/sjvalqkel The form that is used in worship is the “I” form rather than the “we” form. But, the creed, as originally written, was written in the “we” form. We are a community and it is our belief, not simply the belief of an individual.
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https://oringsuspensiones.com/en/933xron That the councils dealt with controversy and like most of St Paul’s writings (with the exception of perhaps Romans) are responses to circumstances at their time and place. They are authoritative in what they say because the Church accepted them as such and that matters of insufficient controversy need no such Canonization process. (aka you don’t need to defend what hasn’t been attacked)
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https://juristas-ruidos.org/3df3x78 In this sense I think we can spend too much time on the councils. (listen to the silly convert blabbing on and on) But since they dealt with disturbances to the Church it seems that looking too often is an invitation to create a disturbance in ourselves.
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Buying Zolpidem Mexico It would seem most of the controversy surrounded the humanity/divinity of Christ, and the nature of Christ’s relationship to the Father in the Trinity. There were few heresies associated with the Father (with the exception of the Manicheans and Marcionites), or the Holy Spirit (I don’t even remember the name of this one), though plenty of discussion, and dissent, about the nature of Christ.
Which is applicable to the modern world, since many people today seem to have a Sabellian or Adoptionist understanding of the Trinity or the nature of Christ. Or so it seems to me.
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https://oringsuspensiones.com/en/lkj3gb5e I was modalist myself (persona means mask doesn’t it?) before my conversion. It’s still a trap I have to consciously correct.
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Father, what source do you have for “originally written in the ‘we’ form”? Here’s why I ask…
https://www.daathize.com.br/c6rsiai6p ECUSA switched from I to We with the 1979 BCP. I was *taught* that the purpose was b/c “We” believe even when “I” can’t. Each “I” is striving to embody the faith of the “We”. But when I mentioned as much to a very conservative ECUSA sort, his reply “When we were voting on that in 1979, we were told that most *not* the case, that was the only way we’d vote for it b/c it absolved too much from the individual.”
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Purchase Ambien Cr 12.5 Mg Certainly, go here http://www.oca.org/OCchapter.asp?SID=2&ID=10 to read an article written by the Orthodox theologian Fr. Thomas Hopko. As you can see, it says that the Council originally wrote the Creed in the “we” form. But, then he comments that it was put into the “I” form for use in worship and commitment. I, myself, tend to prefer to emphasize the community, but I have no problem saying that it must also be the commitment of the individual.
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That makes historical sense. Liturgically, I like “we” as well, for the reason noted above, each “I†striving to embody the faith of the “We†or as the prayer of the hours says, “Bring us to the unity of the Faith.” Thanks for the link. I *love* that series of books.