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In the spring, at the time when kings go off to war, David sent Joab out with the king’s men and the whole Israelite army. They destroyed the Ammonites and besieged Rabbah. But David remained in Jerusalem.
One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, “Isn’t this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?” Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home. The woman conceived and sent word to David, saying, “I am pregnant.”
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Rab Judah said in Rab’s name: One should never [intentionally] bring himself to the test, since David king of Israel did so, and fell. He said unto Him, ‘Sovereign of the Universe! Why do we say [in prayer] “The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,” but not the God of David?’ He replied, ‘They were tried by me, but thou wast not.’ Then, replied he, ‘Sovereign of the Universe, examine and try me’ – as it is written, Examine me, O Lord, and try me. He answered ‘I will test thee, and yet grant thee a special privilege; for I did not inform them [of the nature of their trial beforehand], yet, I inform thee that I will try thee in a matter of adultery.’ Straightway, And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed etc. R. Johanan said: He changed his night couch to a day couch, but he forgot the halachah: there is a small organ in man which satisfies him in his hunger but makes him hunger when satisfied. And he walked upon the roof of the king’s house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon. Now Bath Sheba was cleansing her hair behind a screen, when Satan came to him, appearing in the shape of a bird. He shot an arrow at him, which broke the screen, thus she stood revealed, and he saw her. Immediately, And David sent and enquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bath Sheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? And David sent messengers, and took her, and she came unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanliness: and she returned unto her house. Thus it is written, Thou host proved mine heart; thou hast visited me in the night; thou host tried me, and shalt find nothing; I am purposed that my mouth shall not transgress. He said thus: ‘Would that a bridle had fallen into the mouth of mine enemy [i.e., himself], that I had not spoken thus.’
So, the Talmud sees the whole episode as a test of King David that he brought upon himself by asking God to test him. But, notice that the Talmud exonerates Bathsheba! Read again what it says. It says that Bathsheba was “behind a screen.” That is, according to the Talmud, Bathsheba was not trying to seduce King David at all. Rather, given the houses in those days, she had carefully set up a privacy screen. Moreover, read on, both the Bible and the Talmud say exactly the same thing, “and David sent messengers, and took her. . . .” The Talmud portrays a story of rape. Do you really think that the people sent were just “messengers?” After all, she had just been seen naked; she had just been inquired for; then they had been sent for her.
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Buy Alprazolam Online Mexico But like you say, this is not in the text – the source of temptation need not be guilty of sin. For a tempter to incur sin, the temptation must be intentional, which does not seem to be the case for Bathsheba. Also, even were she guilty of leading David into sin, Bathsheba only deserves a response to her temptation in proportion to the severity of the temptation. Lustful glances would be proportionate to immodest attire – rape would not be. Likewise, anger would be proportionate response to rudeness, but murder would not be.
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Nice points on temptation. And, notice that the Talmud places the source of the temptation not in Bathsheba but in Satan. This actually goes together with a pair of Scriptures, which, when put together, nicely summarize the episode.
St. Paul says, “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”
https://mandikaye.com/blog/27nge1ezoe St. James says, “When tempted, no one should say, ‘God is tempting me.’ For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.”
Is not the St. James Scripture a perfect summary to the Talmudic story? One almost wonders whether St. James was thinking of King David and Bathsheba when he wrote that Scripture. But, more important, notice that it says that each one is tempted by his own evil desire. If the Talmudic story bears any relation to reality, then King David caught sight, by accident, without any interference by Bathsheba.
However, I would consider my strongest point to be the Prophet Nathan, because he functions as God’s official mouthpiece in this whole episode. And, he calls Bathsheba an ewe lamb.
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